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Post by Ed Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:50 pm

Is there anything more disturbing? Apparently, his black turtleneck is what you see inside his mouth behind his teeth. His lower jawbone was removed and there is nothing there. His lower mouth is just flesh.

There is no God. Holy FUCK!


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Post by Ehwmatt Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:04 pm

WTF? For real? Did he have mouth cancer or something?

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Post by Ed Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:17 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:WTF? For real? Did he have mouth cancer or something?

Thyroid cancer. He can't eat, drink or talk ever again. He's in the news because some company took hundreds of hours of tapes of his voice and electronically replicated it so when he "talks" with a keyboard it sounds more like his original voice.

I'd choose death personally. That just seems brutal, although he can still watch and review movies.
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Post by Ehwmatt Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:27 pm

I'd probably choose death... no eating or drinking... two of the finest pleasures in life....

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Post by Ed Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:46 pm


Seven years ago, he recovered quickly from the surgery to cut out his cancerous thyroid and was soon back writing reviews for the Chicago Sun-Times and appearing with Richard Roeper on At the Movies. A year later, in 2003, he returned to work after his salivary glands were partially removed, too, although that and a series of aggressive radiation treatments opened the first cracks in his voice.

In 2006, the cancer surfaced yet again, this time in his jaw. A section of his lower jaw was removed; Ebert listened to Leonard Cohen. Two weeks later, he was in his hospital room packing his bags, the doctors and nurses paying one last visit, listening to a few last songs.

That's when his carotid artery, invisibly damaged by the earlier radiation and the most recent jaw surgery, burst. Blood began pouring out of Ebert's mouth and formed a great pool on the polished floor. The doctors and nurses leapt up to stop the bleeding and barely saved his life. Had he made it out of his hospital room and been on his way home — had his artery waited just a few more songs to burst — Ebert would have bled to death on Lake Shore Drive.

Instead, following more surgery to stop a relentless bloodletting, he was left without much of his mandible, his chin hanging loosely like a drawn curtain, and behind his chin there was a hole the size of a plum. He also underwent a tracheostomy, because there was still a risk that he could drown in his own blood. When Ebert woke up and looked in the mirror in his hospital room, he could see through his open mouth and the hole clear to the bandages that had been wrapped around his neck to protect his exposed windpipe and his new breathing tube.

He could no longer eat or drink, and he had lost his voice entirely. That was more than three years ago.

Ebert spent more than half of a thirty-month stretch in hospitals. His breathing tube has been removed, but the hole in his throat remains open. He eats through a G-tube — he's fed with a liquid paste, suspended in a bag from an IV pole, through a tube in his stomach.

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/features/roger-ebert-0310-3#ixzz0h9W6UBay
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Post by Ehwmatt Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:38 pm

Damn man, that's fucking morbid...

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Post by Lynn Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:00 pm

I admire his strength and his will. I was just telling someone this the other day when I saw him on TV. He has things to live for. So should we suggest suicide for him..... would that not make him weak? hmmm Roger Ebert Icon_razz
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Post by Ehwmatt Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:02 pm

Lynn wrote:I admire his strength and his will. I was just telling someone this the other day when I saw him on TV. He has things to live for. So should we suggest suicide for him..... would that not make him weak? hmmm Roger Ebert Icon_razz

Nope, that's not alleged depression, that's a real condition. Huge material difference. He can't talk, eat, or drink. Suicide/wanting to die would be understandable in this instance.

I knew someone would try this Laughing Laughing

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Post by Lynn Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:04 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
Lynn wrote:I admire his strength and his will. I was just telling someone this the other day when I saw him on TV. He has things to live for. So should we suggest suicide for him..... would that not make him weak? hmmm Roger Ebert Icon_razz

Nope, that's not alleged depression, that's a real condition. Huge material difference. He can't talk, eat, or drink. Suicide/wanting to die would be understandable in this instance.

I knew someone would try this Roger Ebert Icon_lol Roger Ebert Icon_lol

It's not a matter of trying anything. You cant' have it both ways. And if a man has a will to live he should be commended. Not treated like he is a hideous creature. I would hope I would have his strength and his will. He has a wife and she loves him. I think it's great Roger Ebert Icon_smile
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Post by Ehwmatt Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:06 pm

I'm not treating him like a hideous creature. It is commendable he seems to be at peace with his condition.

I can definitely have it both ways, as there's a huge difference. My issue was not with suicide in all instances, only when it involves such an unquantifiable illness like depression over things that will almost certainly get better over time if the person merely tries.

Is it bad that I think of the South Park character when I watch him talk?

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Post by Lynn Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:07 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:I'm not treating him like a hideous creature. It is commendable he seems to be at peace with his condition.

I can definitely have it both ways, as there's a huge difference. My issue was not with suicide in all instances, only when it involves such an unquantifiable illness like depression over things that will almost certainly get better over time if the person merely tries.

Is it bad that I think of the South Park character when I watch him talk?

He said he is in no pain from this. So the only thing that could happen would be depression, and he is carrying on with his work and finding happiness in other ways. I think it's awesome Roger Ebert Icon_smile
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Post by Ed Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:08 pm

God bless him as his main passion for living is writing and I am sure that is what allows him to carry on. You can do a google on Roger Ebert Esquire Interview and read more about this.

It was all over the morning talk shows today.
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Post by Ehwmatt Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:09 pm

It reminds me of the chimp attack victim... remember her on Oprah? Talk about a disturbing sight... poor lady.

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Post by Lynn Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:11 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:It reminds me of the chimp attack victim... remember her on Oprah? Talk about a disturbing sight... poor lady.

I really don't think this is as disturbing as that was. I do admire her will too, but she is a much more severe case. He still has his eyes and his face. He's just missing his jaw. He can't eat, and it's tough, but he gets through that with humor. I have a feeling his humor is what helps him to carry on. What a great lesson for all of us Roger Ebert Icon_smile
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Post by Lynn Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:12 pm

Ed wrote:God bless him as his main passion for living is writing and I am sure that is what allows him to carry on. You can do a google on Roger Ebert Esquire Interview and read more about this.

It was all over the morning talk shows today.

I really thought his computer he uses to talk with was cool. I liked how he gave it a british accent and it had meaning to him. He's really a resilient guy.
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Post by Ed Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:12 pm

He reminds me of the puppet "Madam" from the 70's.

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Post by Ehwmatt Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:15 pm

Lynn wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:It reminds me of the chimp attack victim... remember her on Oprah? Talk about a disturbing sight... poor lady.

I really don't think this is as disturbing as that was. I do admire her will too, but she is a much more severe case. He still has his eyes and his face. He's just missing his jaw. He can't eat, and it's tough, but he gets through that with humor. I have a feeling his humor is what helps him to carry on. What a great lesson for all of us Roger Ebert Icon_smile

Oh yeah, definitely without question a MUCH more severe case, but since Roger is such a well known public, long-established public figure, it's still pretty shocking to see.

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Post by Lynn Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:20 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
Lynn wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:It reminds me of the chimp attack victim... remember her on Oprah? Talk about a disturbing sight... poor lady.

I really don't think this is as disturbing as that was. I do admire her will too, but she is a much more severe case. He still has his eyes and his face. He's just missing his jaw. He can't eat, and it's tough, but he gets through that with humor. I have a feeling his humor is what helps him to carry on. What a great lesson for all of us Roger Ebert Icon_smile

Oh yeah, definitely without question a MUCH more severe case, but since Roger is such a well known public, long-established public figure, it's still pretty shocking to see.

Oh I never said it wasnt' shocking! I never realized he went through all that til I saw him on tv the other day. But when I heard him talk about it and could see how he can still manage to form a smile of some kind, I thought it was really great that he can have that kind of will and go public so that others maybe suffering and embarrassed that way for being different could be encouraged. I think it helps others. No one would WANT to live that way. But how great he could find a way to REALLY live that way.
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Post by Ehwmatt Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:23 pm

hm, he's 68. For some reason i figured him to be a little bit older, like early 70s.

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Post by Moon Beam Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:25 am

Ed wrote:Read more: http://www.esquire.com/features/roger-ebert-0310-3#ixzz0h9W6UBay

I read this a week or so ago and have thought about it many times since.
It's great to read of such a positive attitude come from a truely tragic situation.
I loved this part the best.....

Everyone smiles and laughs about old stories. More and more, that's how Ebert lives these days, through memories, of what things used to feel like and sound like and taste like. When his friend suddenly apologizes for eating in front of him, for talking about the buttered scallops and how the cream and the fish and the wine combine to make a kind of delicate smoke, Ebert shakes his head. He begins to write and tears a note from the spiral.
No, no, it reads. You're eating for me.

That got me right in the sap sucker.
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Post by Red13joPa Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:53 am

Ed wrote:Is there anything more disturbing? There is no God. Holy FUCK!


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