Lyrics, etc

frfksakes wrote:
Case in point for the "cover band" argument: A whole CD of cover tunes. Not just the same songs, but a complete mimic of Perry's phrasing, his inflections...
This is what makes me angry,,
They have every right to move on, but to claim they're moving on with this greedy bastardization is ridiculous.

Would an Elton John or Freddie Mercury soundalike get away with this?

No

Nobody would buy a copycat version when they can buy the original.

So why are Journey fans so ok with it?

Maybe Arnel’s remarkable story has clouded people’s judgment. I know I’m impressed – and wish him well. Esp. since it is his story that has garnered Jrny so much attention.
Will he get compensated for that? I doubt it.

But let me tell you what I really think…

pRick wrote:

frfksakes wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:

journeyrock wrote:I agree with both of you guys. And I haven't even listened to it, much less buy it. I felt dirty just holding it at Walmart long enough to look at the pictures and then puke on the floor.

I have no interest in this cover band of Journey. If I want to hear a Journey Cover band, I'll go listen to Jeremey or Hugo.

I don't get the "cover band" argument. As much as a scumbag Journey organization is, they aren't a cover band. They reserve the right to hire anyone they desire.

Case in point for the "cover band" argument: A whole CD of cover tunes. Not just the same songs, but a complete mimic of Perry's phrasing, his inflections...
This is what makes me angry,,
They have every right to move on, but to claim they're moving on with this greedy bastardization is ridiculous.

Would an Elton John or Freddie Mercury soundalike get away with this?

No

Nobody would buy a copycat version when they can buy the original.

So why are Journey fans so ok with it?

Maybe Arnel’s remarkable story has clouded people’s judgment. I know I’m impressed – and wish him well. Esp. since it is his story that has garnered Jrny so much attention.
Will he get compensated for that? I doubt it.

But let me tell you what I really think…

When you play your own music, it's not considered a cover.

It's amusing that people are ok with Chalfant recording Journeys music and making money off of it, but Journey can't do that with their own stuff. Some of the arguments are completely ridiculous. You people are high.

frfksakes wrote:[...] greedy bastardization [...]

frfksakes wrote:

pRick wrote:

frfksakes wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:

journeyrock wrote:I agree with both of you guys. And I haven't even listened to it, much less buy it. I felt dirty just holding it at Walmart long enough to look at the pictures and then puke on the floor.

I have no interest in this cover band of Journey. If I want to hear a Journey Cover band, I'll go listen to Jeremey or Hugo.

I don't get the "cover band" argument. As much as a scumbag Journey organization is, they aren't a cover band. They reserve the right to hire anyone they desire.

Case in point for the "cover band" argument: A whole CD of cover tunes. Not just the same songs, but a complete mimic of Perry's phrasing, his inflections...
This is what makes me angry,,
They have every right to move on, but to claim they're moving on with this greedy bastardization is ridiculous.

Would an Elton John or Freddie Mercury soundalike get away with this?

No

Nobody would buy a copycat version when they can buy the original.

So why are Journey fans so ok with it?

Maybe Arnel’s remarkable story has clouded people’s judgment. I know I’m impressed – and wish him well. Esp. since it is his story that has garnered Jrny so much attention.
Will he get compensated for that? I doubt it.

But let me tell you what I really think…

When you play your own music, it's not considered a cover.

It's amusing that people are ok with Chalfant recording Journeys music and making money off of it, but Journey can't do that with their own stuff. Some of the arguments are completely ridiculous. You people are high.

Their music (including Perry) - But HIS voice, HIS phrasing, HIS inflections...

Journey is only proving that it really is all about the voice (which, personally, I don't think it is).

Otherwise, they'd have the fucking balls to let the music, and Neal's incredible guitar, stand on it's own with a great vocalist who sings in their OWN voice.

completely strange example but, there can't be a more famous song than Over the Rainbow, yet there is a Hawaiian version that is true to the original while being it's own song - and it is GREAT.

On top of everything else, I feel cheated that Journey hasn't shown more creativity.

RockinDeano wrote:

frfksakes wrote:
Case in point for the "cover band" argument: A whole CD of cover tunes. Not just the same songs, but a complete mimic of Perry's phrasing, his inflections...
This is what makes me angry,,
They have every right to move on, but to claim they're moving on with this greedy bastardization is ridiculous.

Would an Elton John or Freddie Mercury soundalike get away with this?

No

Nobody would buy a copycat version when they can buy the original.

So why are Journey fans so ok with it?

Maybe Arnel’s remarkable story has clouded people’s judgment. I know I’m impressed – and wish him well. Esp. since it is his story that has garnered Jrny so much attention.
Will he get compensated for that? I doubt it.

But let me tell you what I really think…

I should have clarified. Of course the cover CD (rerecords) grinds my gears. That is nothing but a big "Fuck You" to Steve Perry. It has nothing to do with Walmart's desire. I don't care what you read elsewhere, that is complete bullshit. They are trying to get out from under Perry's shadow, and that will never happen.

pRick wrote:

frfksakes wrote:

pRick wrote:

frfksakes wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:

journeyrock wrote:I agree with both of you guys. And I haven't even listened to it, much less buy it. I felt dirty just holding it at Walmart long enough to look at the pictures and then puke on the floor.

I have no interest in this cover band of Journey. If I want to hear a Journey Cover band, I'll go listen to Jeremey or Hugo.

I don't get the "cover band" argument. As much as a scumbag Journey organization is, they aren't a cover band. They reserve the right to hire anyone they desire.

Case in point for the "cover band" argument: A whole CD of cover tunes. Not just the same songs, but a complete mimic of Perry's phrasing, his inflections...
This is what makes me angry,,
They have every right to move on, but to claim they're moving on with this greedy bastardization is ridiculous.

Would an Elton John or Freddie Mercury soundalike get away with this?

No

Nobody would buy a copycat version when they can buy the original.

So why are Journey fans so ok with it?

Maybe Arnel’s remarkable story has clouded people’s judgment. I know I’m impressed – and wish him well. Esp. since it is his story that has garnered Jrny so much attention. Will he get compensated for that? I doubt it.

But let me tell you what I really think…

When you play your own music, it's not considered a cover.

It's amusing that people are ok with Chalfant recording Journeys music and making money off of it, but Journey can't do that with their own stuff. Some of the arguments are completely ridiculous. You people are high.

Their music (including Perry) - But HIS voice, HIS phrasing, HIS inflections...

Journey is only proving that it really is all about the voice (which, personally, I don't think it is).

Otherwise, they'd have the fucking balls to let the music, and Neal's incredible guitar, stand on it's own with a great vocalist who sings in their OWN voice.

completely strange example but, there can't be a more famous song than Over the Rainbow, yet there is a Hawaiian version that is true to the original while being it's own song - and it is GREAT.

On top of everything else, I feel cheated that Journey hasn't shown more creativity.

Well that would be like McDonalds scrapping their menu and doing something completely different, when they know the menu they have now is what fuels their sales. It would be very risky. These guys are too old to take chances like that. You can't expect them to mess around with a great formula.

frfksakes wrote:

pRick wrote:

frfksakes wrote:

pRick wrote:

frfksakes wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:

journeyrock wrote:I agree with both of you guys. And I haven't even listened to it, much less buy it. I felt dirty just holding it at Walmart long enough to look at the pictures and then puke on the floor.

I have no interest in this cover band of Journey. If I want to hear a Journey Cover band, I'll go listen to Jeremey or Hugo.

I don't get the "cover band" argument. As much as a scumbag Journey organization is, they aren't a cover band. They reserve the right to hire anyone they desire.

Case in point for the "cover band" argument: A whole CD of cover tunes. Not just the same songs, but a complete mimic of Perry's phrasing, his inflections...
This is what makes me angry,,
They have every right to move on, but to claim they're moving on with this greedy bastardization is ridiculous.

Would an Elton John or Freddie Mercury soundalike get away with this?

No

Nobody would buy a copycat version when they can buy the original.

So why are Journey fans so ok with it?

Maybe Arnel’s remarkable story has clouded people’s judgment. I know I’m impressed – and wish him well. Esp. since it is his story that has garnered Jrny so much attention. Will he get compensated for that? I doubt it.

But let me tell you what I really think…

When you play your own music, it's not considered a cover.

It's amusing that people are ok with Chalfant recording Journeys music and making money off of it, but Journey can't do that with their own stuff. Some of the arguments are completely ridiculous. You people are high.

Their music (including Perry) - But HIS voice, HIS phrasing, HIS inflections...

Journey is only proving that it really is all about the voice (which, personally, I don't think it is).

Otherwise, they'd have the fucking balls to let the music, and Neal's incredible guitar, stand on it's own with a great vocalist who sings in their OWN voice.

completely strange example but, there can't be a more famous song than Over the Rainbow, yet there is a Hawaiian version that is true to the original while being it's own song - and it is GREAT.

On top of everything else, I feel cheated that Journey hasn't shown more creativity.

Well that would be like McDonalds scrapping their menu and doing something completely different, when they know the menu they have now is what fuels their sales. It would be very risky. These guys are too old to take chances like that. You can't expect them to mess around with a great formula.

Hah, funny you should bring up McDonalds...

from one of my rants:
" ... the masses will buy any McDonaldized crap."

lol. I hear you, Rick. But I guess that's part of the problem, my problem...
I DID expect them to mess with the formula, and maybe even make it better...

But instead of focusing on the music, they've focused on (going through 3 people) trying to copy Perry's voice as closely as possible ...

I understand if their goal is to have a solid place on the nostalgic tours. But then they should call it what is - And I'm just disappointed that they're satisfied with that.

Neal is better than that.

pRick wrote:
You have great arguments, and I damn sure respect them. But I want Journey to sound like Journey. I can't get that with SP because he wont do it anymore. Fucker. I was sure on board with what might have been with JSS. God dammit that would have rocked. That didn't happen, so I'm good with what is, and very pleasantly surprised. Arnel is great.

almost…

journeyrock wrote:I agree with both of you guys. And I haven't even listened to it, much less buy it. I felt dirty just holding it at Walmart long enough to look at the pictures and then puke on the floor.

I have no interest in this cover band of Journey. If I want to hear a Journey Cover band, I'll go listen to Jeremey or Hugo.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:I agree with both of you guys. And I haven't even listened to it, much less buy it. I felt dirty just holding it at Walmart long enough to look at the pictures and then puke on the floor.

I have no interest in this cover band of Journey. If I want to hear a Journey Cover band, I'll go listen to Jeremey or Hugo.

Two founding members, a prominent 27-year member, one of the world's best drummers and a proven vocal commodity in Arnel...

....cover band my ass.

frfksakes wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:I agree with both of you guys. And I haven't even listened to it, much less buy it. I felt dirty just holding it at Walmart long enough to look at the pictures and then puke on the floor.

I have no interest in this cover band of Journey. If I want to hear a Journey Cover band, I'll go listen to Jeremey or Hugo.

Two founding members, a prominent 27-year member, one of the world's best drummers and a proven vocal commodity in Arnel...

....cover band my ass.

Yes, but they're copying HIS voice,,,, don't get me started again,

ProgRocker53 wrote:

frfksakes wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:I agree with both of you guys. And I haven't even listened to it, much less buy it. I felt dirty just holding it at Walmart long enough to look at the pictures and then puke on the floor.

I have no interest in this cover band of Journey. If I want to hear a Journey Cover band, I'll go listen to Jeremey or Hugo.

Two founding members, a prominent 27-year member, one of the world's best drummers and a proven vocal commodity in Arnel...

....cover band my ass.

Yes, but they're copying HIS voice,,,, don't get me started again,

I'd get my singer to copy Perry on an extra disc too if it meant locking down a Wal-Mart deal and pulling in the jack.