The Destruction of Steve Augeri

Want to know why I am still angry and won't let it go?



How about postpoing a tour or some shows for him, or at least not overtouring because of infidelity or poor financial management?

Schon and Friga do not deserve any feel good stories.

Good luck Arnel.

AR wrote:Want to know why I am still angry and won't let it go?



How about postpoing a tour or some shows for him, or at least not overtouring because of infidelity or poor financial management?

Schon and Friga do not deserve any feel good stories.

Good luck Arnel.

My man they never overtoured. Look at past tour schedule, everyones excuse.

They are overtouring right now. Going out EVERY summer is overtouring, especially with the demands of their catalog vocally.

AR wrote:They are overtouring right now. Going out EVERY summer is overtouring, especially with the demands of their catalog vocally.

So they should not tour at all

Manarocks wrote:

AR wrote:They are overtouring right now. Going out EVERY summer is overtouring, especially with the demands of their catalog vocally.

So they should not tour at all

Didn't say that.

They tour EVERY summer because they have to and have no concern for their vocalists. Arnel is 40, Augeri is now pushing 50 and Soto is 40 or so.

Hire a kid, and just play every night then. Herbie Herbert even said Neal and Jon tour because they HAVE to and it's sad.

AR wrote:

Manarocks wrote:

AR wrote:They are overtouring right now. Going out EVERY summer is overtouring, especially with the demands of their catalog vocally.

So they should not tour at all

Didn't say that.

They tour EVERY summer because they have to and have no concern for their vocalists. Arnel is 40, Augeri is now pushing 50 and Soto is 40 or so.

Hire a kid, and just play every night then. Herbie Herbert even said Neal and Jon tour because they HAVE to and it's sad.

Yes they love to tour because they are musicans. One example is B.B. King still touring and I believe he is mid 70's in age. You still have a thing for Journey.

Most bands don't play 3 and 4 consecutive nights and tour EVERY summer.

Ed,

With all due respect, I think that your anger with Journey is misplaced still - it still lies, in my opinion, with JSS, and not the Augeri voice issues.

I feel that you're just using this as a "crutch" because you can't / won't let the issues with the band go, when most other people have long ago ...

Boycotting this band because you don't like their business decisions is like saying that you won't shop at a particular store or buy particular products / services from a company because you don't like their business practices, or don't like that they import their products from China or something like that ...

We're not privy to their business and personnel decisions, and we really don't know ALL the facts behind their decisions regarding JSS and SA, each. Anyone who claims that they know EVERYTHING is full of shit, basically, as we're not in the band's inner circle or business advisors.

Ultimately, Irving's job is to help them maximize revenues and profits for as much as possible. They also tour every year, partly out of financial necessity, partly to support their lifestyles (this is actually their JOB), and partly, to make up for lost time due to the 10-year silence and hiatus from 1987-1996 - Hence, you can never get that decade of the prime of your musical life back again ... You can only impact and change things going forward (1998-present) ... They've done a good job of making up for lost time, in terms of musical productivity (10 tours, variety of opening acts and co-headlining tours, a healthy mix between primary major market tours and secondary market tours to spread the "coverage", 2 full CDs with SA, 1 EP with SA, 1 DVD w/ SA, and the Revelation package w/ Arnel) ... Plus, the re-issues of DVDs and CDs from SP, as well ... plenty of product to satisfy fans of all versions of the band, over the past 10 years ... I've bought everything available, myself - all the SP DVDs and CD Remasters, as well as all of the SA and Arnel products ...Something for everyone, which is more than they had between 1987-1996 ...

Sooo, I understand you have personal issues with the band and their "ethics" or decision-making, but not everyone feels the same way, or holds onto grudges, which ultimately, isn't really healthy in life, anyway ... just food for thought, and just my .02 ...

I fully expect to be banned again for my views ...

Best Regards,

Michael

mgstar1964 wrote:Ed,

With all due respect, I think that your anger with Journey is misplaced still - it still lies, in my opinion, with JSS, and not the Augeri voice issues.

I feel that you're just using this as a "crutch" because you can't / won't let the issues with the band go, when most other people have long ago ...

...Boycotting this band because you don't like their business decisions is like saying that you won't shop at a particular store or buy particular products / services from a company because you don't like their business practices, or don't like that they import their products from China or something like that

We're not privy to their business and personnel decisions, and we really don't know ALL the facts behind their decisions regarding JSS and SA, each. Anyone who claims that they know EVERYTHING is full of shit, basically, as we're not in the band's inner circle or business advisors.

Ultimately, Irving's job is to help them maximize revenues and profits for as much as possible. They also tour every year, partly out of financial necessity, partly to support their lifestyles (this is actually their JOB), and partly, to make up for lost time due to the 10-year silence and hiatus from 1987-1996 - Hence, you can never get that decade of the prime of your musical life back again ... You can only impact and change things going forward (1998-present) ... They've done a good job of making up for lost time, in terms of musical productivity (10 tours, variety of opening acts and co-headlining tours, a healthy mix between primary major market tours and secondary market tours to spread the "coverage", 2 full CDs with SA, 1 EP with SA, 1 DVD w/ SA, and the Revelation package w/ Arnel) ... Plus, the re-issues of DVDs and CDs from SP, as well ... plenty of product to satisfy fans of all versions of the band, over the past 10 years ... I've bought everything available, myself - all the SP DVDs and CD Remasters, as well as all of the SA and Arnel products ...Something for everyone, which is more than they had between 1987-1996 ...

Sooo, I understand you have personal issues with the band and their "ethics" or decision-making, but not everyone feels the same way, or holds onto grudges, which ultimately, isn't really healthy in life, anyway ... just food for thought, and just my .02 ...

I fully expect to be banned again for my views ...

Best Regards,

Michael

Thats called American Freedom - freedom of choice. Do YOU have a problem with that?

mgstar1964 wrote:Ed,

With all due respect, I think that your anger with Journey is misplaced still - it still lies, in my opinion, with JSS, and not the Augeri voice issues.

I feel that you're just using this as a "crutch" because you can't / won't let the issues with the band go, when most other people have long ago ...

Boycotting this band because you don't like their business decisions is like saying that you won't shop at a particular store or buy particular products / services from a company because you don't like their business practices, or don't like that they import their products from China or something like that ...

We're not privy to their business and personnel decisions, and we really don't know ALL the facts behind their decisions regarding JSS and SA, each. Anyone who claims that they know EVERYTHING is full of shit, basically, as we're not in the band's inner circle or business advisors.

Ultimately, Irving's job is to help them maximize revenues and profits for as much as possible. They also tour every year, partly out of financial necessity, partly to support their lifestyles (this is actually their JOB), and partly, to make up for lost time due to the 10-year silence and hiatus from 1987-1996 - Hence, you can never get that decade of the prime of your musical life back again ... You can only impact and change things going forward (1998-present) ... They've done a good job of making up for lost time, in terms of musical productivity (10 tours, variety of opening acts and co-headlining tours, a healthy mix between primary major market tours and secondary market tours to spread the "coverage", 2 full CDs with SA, 1 EP with SA, 1 DVD w/ SA, and the Revelation package w/ Arnel) ... Plus, the re-issues of DVDs and CDs from SP, as well ... plenty of product to satisfy fans of all versions of the band, over the past 10 years ... I've bought everything available, myself - all the SP DVDs and CD Remasters, as well as all of the SA and Arnel products ...Something for everyone, which is more than they had between 1987-1996 ...

Sooo, I understand you have personal issues with the band and their "ethics" or decision-making, but not everyone feels the same way, or holds onto grudges, which ultimately, isn't really healthy in life, anyway ... just food for thought, and just my .02 ...

I fully expect to be banned again for my views ...

Best Regards,

Michael

Good post Michael

mgstar1964 wrote:Ed,

With all due respect, I think that your anger with Journey is misplaced still - it still lies, in my opinion, with JSS, and not the Augeri voice issues.

I feel that you're just using this as a "crutch" because you can't / won't let the issues with the band go, when most other people have long ago ...

Boycotting this band because you don't like their business decisions is like saying that you won't shop at a particular store or buy particular products / services from a company because you don't like their business practices, or don't like that they import their products from China or something like that ...

We're not privy to their business and personnel decisions, and we really don't know ALL the facts behind their decisions regarding JSS and SA, each. Anyone who claims that they know EVERYTHING is full of shit, basically, as we're not in the band's inner circle or business advisors.

Ultimately, Irving's job is to help them maximize revenues and profits for as much as possible. They also tour every year, partly out of financial necessity, partly to support their lifestyles (this is actually their JOB), and partly, to make up for lost time due to the 10-year silence and hiatus from 1987-1996 - Hence, you can never get that decade of the prime of your musical life back again ... You can only impact and change things going forward (1998-present) ... They've done a good job of making up for lost time, in terms of musical productivity (10 tours, variety of opening acts and co-headlining tours, a healthy mix between primary major market tours and secondary market tours to spread the "coverage", 2 full CDs with SA, 1 EP with SA, 1 DVD w/ SA, and the Revelation package w/ Arnel) ... Plus, the re-issues of DVDs and CDs from SP, as well ... plenty of product to satisfy fans of all versions of the band, over the past 10 years ... I've bought everything available, myself - all the SP DVDs and CD Remasters, as well as all of the SA and Arnel products ...Something for everyone, which is more than they had between 1987-1996 ...

Sooo, I understand you have personal issues with the band and their "ethics" or decision-making, but not everyone feels the same way, or holds onto grudges, which ultimately, isn't really healthy in life, anyway ... just food for thought, and just my .02 ...

I fully expect to be banned again for my views ...

Best Regards,

Michael

Watching the VP debate at the moment.

I promise to read and respond later tonght or tomorrow. Looks like a thoughtful post deserving of me taking my forum populist "hat" off and responding as an educated music fan.

Dude,

Your post pisses me off. You posting one of Steve's worst performances solves nothing going forward. Steve did a great job for several years in Journey and I think he deserves some credit and respect for that. You piss me off with your negative approach. I'm pissed, like you, about Augeri, but posting one of his poorest performances, after being milked by Cain and Schon, is not cool. Steve carried the band for for 8 years and did a great job. The catalog is an issue for anyone, including Arnel, and the band rode him into the ground. When Steve was lipping, every fuckin bastard in that band knew what was going and did not support Steve when he was struggling. I don't understand how highlighting one of his worst performances of his time with Journey solves anything going forward. Journey threw Steve under the bus once the story was sprung by Deeno on the lipping issue. Everyone knows it, everyone knows Cain and Schon knew the story and the bastards threw Steve under the bus. I don't see how you bring up one of Steve's worst performances, and showing him disrespect, changes anything going forward. You posting one of Steve's worst performances will not change anything with Schon or Cain. There won't be any tour postponement as they've already shown their colors. The only thing you've done is highlight done of Steve's poorest performances. I seen Augeri 8 times while he was with the band and the dude could sing and is a good dude. He got boned by the band and highlighting one of his poor performances does nothing but disrespect a good guy that deserves better. Let it go ...

I'm disappointed in your post,

Aaron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSsXZSBJQo4

AR wrote:Want to know why I am still angry and won't let it go?



How about postpoing a tour or some shows for him, or at least not overtouring because of infidelity or poor financial management?

Schon and Friga do not deserve any feel good stories.

Good luck Arnel.

Aaron wrote:Dude,

Your post pisses me off. You posting one of Steve's worst performances solves nothing going forward. Steve did a great job for several years in Journey and I think he deserves some credit and respect for that. You piss me off with your negative approach. I'm pissed, like you, about Augeri, but posting one of his poorest performances, after being milked by Cain and Schon, is not cool. Steve carried the band for for 8 years and did a great job. The catalog is an issue for anyone, including Arnel, and the band rode him into the ground. When Steve was lipping, every fuckin bastard in that band knew what was going and did not support Steve when he was struggling. I don't understand how highlighting one of his worst performances of his time with Journey solves anything going forward. Journey threw Steve under the bus once the story was sprung by Deeno on the lipping issue. Everyone knows it, everyone knows Cain and Schon knew the story and the bastards threw Steve under the bus. I don't see how you bring up one of Steve's worst performances, and showing him disrespect, changes anything going forward. You posting one of Steve's worst performances will not change anything with Schon or Cain. There won't be any tour postponement as they've already shown their colors. The only thing you've done is highlight done of Steve's poorest performances. I seen Augeri 8 times while he was with the band and the dude could sing and is a good dude. He got boned by the band and highlighting one of his poor performances does nothing but disrespect a good guy that deserves better. Let it go ...

I'm disappointed in your post,

Aaron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSsXZSBJQo4

AR wrote:Want to know why I am still angry and won't let it go?



How about postpoing a tour or some shows for him, or at least not overtouring because of infidelity or poor financial management?

Schon and Friga do not deserve any feel good stories.

Good luck Arnel.

This band should be called Neal Schon & The Lemmings. This is a Neal Schon project, pure and simple. There is absolutely no prestige in being called the former lead singer of Journey at this point unless your last name is Perry. The band used up SA and threw him under the bus...pure and simple.
What a sad video. Fucking paralyzed vocal cord!!!!
Fuck Neal Schon and his alimony bills. This band is a complete disgrace hiring a third-world lounge singer who prefers poodles over pasta. Screw that marginal Keno playing junkie, Valory. Screw that miserable fuck Cain. Fuck Castronovo...fucking fraud.

Perry and Steve Smith left unscathed with their dignity and legacy fully intact.

Aaron - I'm not sure why posting this upsets you as it was simply meant to show the true intent of the original post, which was that not only did he get completely dicked over, their greed killed his voice. I don't believe it was meant to be disrespectful in the least.

Fucking frauds indeed....all of them.

3DG wrote:Aaron - I'm not sure why posting this upsets you as it was simply meant to show the true intent of the original post, which was that not only did he get completely dicked over, their greed killed his voice. I don't believe it was meant to be disrespectful in the least.

Fucking frauds indeed....all of them.

That's exactly what I got from Ed's original post as well...

mgstar1964 wrote:Ed,

I fully expect to be banned again for my views ...

Best Regards,

Michael

You have NEVER been been banned for your views.

Surprisingly, you have other issues.

Cat

joeydelight wrote:

3DG wrote:Aaron - I'm not sure why posting this upsets you as it was simply meant to show the true intent of the original post, which was that not only did he get completely dicked over, their greed killed his voice. I don't believe it was meant to be disrespectful in the least.

Fucking frauds indeed....all of them.

That's exactly what I got from Ed's original post as well...

3DG and Joey are correct, that was the intent of the post. I liked Augeri and think he got fucked over then thrown under the bus.

Cat,

I know that Ed and I have differing opinions, and I respect his views - I was just trying to point out another side or viewpoint ...

I won't re-hash why Beshad put me in the Penalty Box for a week - this is not the time or place, and I just want to move on from that, actually ...

I didn't know I still had issues with anyone else on this board - I actually think you're a pretty interesting person, and I think its cool that we're both in the same area.

Michael

For anyone that doesn't agree with the idea put forth that there was overtouring....they clearly arent singers or don't have an idea what journey's specific catalog can do to a voice...

Get some perspective before vag-flapping in opposition to Ed.

mgstar1964 wrote: ...and I think its cool that we're both in the same area.


Michael

... and if you behave, when Rick sends me his car to keep warm for the winter ( ) -... well I don't know if he would be happy if I let you drive the car .... so maybe I will let you stand beside it and take pics.

and for the record, I posted here months ago about the fact that they were over-touring - and showing the comparison between the 2 night and 3 night runs.

What did I get?????

Patted on the head like a good little girl and told "journey knows what they are doing" and "Arnel is young and can take it"

Next person who pats me on the fucking head will know the true meaning of cat-scratch fever.

AR wrote:

joeydelight wrote:

3DG wrote:Aaron - I'm not sure why posting this upsets you as it was simply meant to show the true intent of the original post, which was that not only did he get completely dicked over, their greed killed his voice. I don't believe it was meant to be disrespectful in the least.

Fucking frauds indeed....all of them.

That's exactly what I got from Ed's original post as well...

3DG and Joey are correct, that was the intent of the post. I liked Augeri and think he got fucked over then thrown under the bus.

If Steve Augeri doesn't hold the grudge what right do YOU have to do so?

I saw him Virginia Beach, he was hanging with Jon Cain and they came the beach party Ross had put on. He seem perfectly happy with his life, so it begs the question again...what right do you (or anyone else) have to be pissed and upset when quite obviously he isn't?

I had also heard through other sources that Steve is very happy with his life, and is still friends with the band, does NOT feel as though he was screwed or thrown under the bus ... Nice to hear others verifying similar info ...

I wish Steve A the best in his future endeavours, and I'm glad he continues to maintain positive relationships with the band ...

Michael

cat wrote:and for the record, I posted here months ago about the fact that they were over-touring - and showing the comparison between the 2 night and 3 night runs.

What did I get?????

Patted on the head like a good little girl and told "journey knows what they are doing" and "Arnel is young and can take it"

Next person who pats me on the fucking head will know the true meaning of cat-scratch fever.

Yep she did!!

The cat scratch fever thing.....LMFAO

always coming up the the good ones Cat!

doka wrote:

cat wrote:and for the record, I posted here months ago about the fact that they were over-touring - and showing the comparison between the 2 night and 3 night runs.

What did I get?????

Patted on the head like a good little girl and told "journey knows what they are doing" and "Arnel is young and can take it"

Next person who pats me on the fucking head will know the true meaning of cat-scratch fever.

Yep she did!!

The cat scratch fever thing.....LMFAO

always coming up the the good ones Cat!

maybe I can scratch Marco's back